** Adrian Bridgett <adrian@???> [2007-12-24 11:22]:
> On Mon, Dec 24, 2007 at 00:21:58 +0000 (+0000), Paul Tansom wrote:
> > Indeed. Interestingly, following my upgrade of Ubuntu from 7.04 to 7.10
> > I'm beginning to feel the need to wipe the machine and reinstall. Not
> > something I was expecting given the image of being Debian with added
> > ease of use. I have some increasingly odd behaviour cropping up. Things
> > like:
>
> I must say that I had several problems when I upgraded to gutsy
> pre-release and I've heard similar regarding Hardy. To be fair this
> looks like bashisms in my X scripts for the most part.
>
> Debian proper I've had very few issues with really. Just Gnome issues
> really :-( Most of those being Gnome's fault.
I've not tried Hardy yet, I've tended to stick to the final releases and
not touch the pre-release versions. I guess you could argue that shows
less faith in them than with Debian, or maybe it was just frustration
with the speed of the Debian releases :) From Debian 3.0 I backed off to
testing on my desktop, and I've never used anything other than stable on
servers.
<<snip>>
> > o I've just found that I have a xchat-gnome process running and logged
> > in to my IRC channels, but no related window
>
> You havn't got two login sessions perchance?
No, no chance of that. That was one of the major issues I didn't
mention. I can login as another user with another session quite happily
(I've not tried with the same user), but when I try to switch sessions
back to the original user I just get a blank black screen after I've
logged back in. From this point the only action I can do is power down -
a bit of a cop out Windows fix that, but sadly Ubuntu have disabled the
ctrl-alt-Fx facility, and I've not got around to re-enabling it. I've
not bothered to get the ssh server installed and configured yet either,
which I really should do. I can see that Ubuntu (desktop) is really
aimed at the migrating Windows user, so I understand the reasoning.
Perhaps Ubuntu should have a techy release to save some time putting
things back in that they've removed!
> > o OOo can easily be crashed, usually by selecting something from the
> > right click menu on cells or groups of cells. The Format cells one
> > always causes this. I've never had this on my Debian installs or
> > Windows, and only noticed it since the upgrade to 7.10
>
> Removing openoffice.org-gtk and openoffice.org-gnome fixed the
> horrifically frequent crashes for me.
I'll have to take a look at that.
I'm beginning to wonder whether the attraction of Ubuntu is the
advantage of a recognisable brand when I'm talking to customers more
than any real advantage over Debian. Desktop wise my brief experience of
PCLinuxOS was pretty good, bar the fact that it uses KDE. Even the
battery level indicator actually worked on my laptop, which it doesn't
in Ubuntu. I'm increasingly tempted to try it again, bar the fact that
I'd have to remove KDE and I'd rather it was Debian based than Mandrake
- my experience of Mandrake is primarily repeated lockups during or
immediately post install :(
** end quote [Adrian Bridgett]
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